Off the grid: Travel, terrain and truths ft. Zurvan Marolia
How do off-road adventures from Iceland to Tawang build resilience for India's business leaders?
In this episode of Be All You Can, Zurvan Marolia, a manufacturing veteran at Godrej Enterprises Group, shares a journey that goes far beyond itineraries, into raw, real experiences. From circling Iceland’s Arctic terrain to navigating the challenging Bum La Pass, his stories are rooted in adventure, adaptability, and respect for nature.
At its core, this episode is about navigating the unknown on the road and at work. From embracing uncertainty to thinking on your feet, the lessons from travel often mirror the realities of professional life. Tune in to Be All You Can to discover how going off track might just help you move forward.
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Feb 9, 20260:02: We, at 10.30 in the morning, we took a decision.
0:05: We just, you know, went to our rooms.
0:08: I had a spare helmet.
0:10: So I told him, I said, you pack this, I'll pack that, you know.
0:13: And when we reached his place at 10.30 in the night and his sister had a gaping
0:17: look on her face, what, are you guys mad?
0:19: So six o'clock, we start doing what we had planned at 12.31 in the afternoon.
0:24: And we reach her place after one o'clock.
0:26: Incidentally, I suffered there because of the fact that my Thar, I had a third generation
0:30: Thar with the electronic systems.
0:33: And even after putting it into four wheel, the front wheels were not engaging.
0:37: So I had a, with chains, I could drive, but I wasn't getting the traction to climb.
0:43: Hello listeners, and welcome to Godrej and Boyce podcast, Be All You Can.
0:50: I am Ratul Mazumdar from Godrej Interio, and I'm glad to be your host for this episode.
0:56: Today we have with us someone whose innate urge to go off the beaten path has taken him
1:05: around the world, finding a variety of challenges on the way and surpassing them all.
1:12: He has zipped through the manufacturing workflow with as much aplomb as he has done on his
1:20: outdoor adventures.
1:22: Let's hear from Mr. Zurvan Marolia.
1:26: Thanks.
1:27: Good morning, everybody.
1:28: Thank you, Ratul.
1:29: Couldn't have asked for a better host for the podcast, for the interview.
1:34: My pleasure.
1:35: So welcome, Zurvan.
1:37: Thank you very much for joining us for this episode.
1:40: Zurvan, I'm seeing an increasing number of Indians taking to the outdoors and talking
1:46: a lot about it.
1:47: When I talk to them, I find their inspirations are different.
1:51: So inspirations are many, and they mean different things to different people.
1:57: I would start, Zurvan, by asking what had been your inspirations?
2:02: Now that you put it that way, I'm just thinking back and I don't think I had any such fancy
2:07: ideas.
2:08: In just one sentence, I wanted to just break free from the routines, stresses, as you rightly
2:14: put it when you spoke in the beginning.
2:16: In fact, I remember the first time that I did something like this, and this is as a
2:21: student. We were sitting on a Sunday morning in the hostel in engineering days.
2:26: One of my juniors comes up to me and he says, he says, my dad's bought me a scooter.
2:31: I don't know how to ride, but I want to bring it.
2:34: And we were in Baroda, mind you.
2:35: And you know, can you help me?
2:36: And I said, yeah, how do you, what help do you want?
2:39: He says, can you ride it to Baroda for me?
2:41: I said, yeah, sure.
2:42: When? 2:43: He's like, when would be suitable?
2:45: I said, we can leave right now.
2:46: There's a 1.30 train to Bombay and we'll be back tomorrow.
2:49: Next day was a holiday for some reason.
2:51: And we did exactly that.
2:53: We at 10.30 in the morning, we took a decision.
2:56: We just, you know, went to our rooms.
2:59: I had a spare helmet.
3:01: So I told him, I said, you pack this, I'll pack that, you know.
3:04: And when we reached his place at 10.30 in the night in Sion,
3:07: his sister had a gaping look on her face.
3:09: What are you guys mad?
3:11: And next morning, five o'clock, we were, you know,
3:13: on our way back to Baroda on the scooter.
3:15: We took 13 hours to do that 440 kilometres
3:19: and people thought we were mad.
3:21: But that was the first time.
3:23: So in a way, then I guess it was,
3:25: it was the wanderlust as well.
3:27: And then that was the beginning of, you know,
3:29: quite a few first within the country,
3:32: driven to Mount Abu, driven to Pondicherry,
3:35: driven to Ooty from Bombay.
3:37: My next question would be,
3:39: how did this wanderlust carry you forward
3:42: to where you are today, till today?
3:45: So you've done a lot of, you know,
3:47: driving on the border roads and stuff
3:49: and those BRO signs that you get.
3:51: So one that stands out for me, which says,
3:54: travel is still the most intense form of learning.
3:58: And so often it is, it is travelling
4:02: and people you meet and experiences you get,
4:05: which really gives you a very, very varied
4:08: and different outlook on life, on things.
4:11: If you want to try and draw a connect
4:14: between where it has taken me professionally,
4:16: it would be very difficult, but in so many subtle ways,
4:19: it's changed me as a person.
4:21: And, you know, you get to know about different cultures,
4:24: you learn how to, you know, talk to different people,
4:27: it's very difficult to say how it has got me to where I am,
4:30: but it is certainly each time that I'm back,
4:33: it has fuelled me with a different kind of energy.
4:35: That's right.
4:36: Let's talk about your most memorable expedition,
4:39: the one that you reminisce the most.
4:42: We want a little more detail and you can ramble.
4:45: It's difficult to pinpoint one of them,
4:48: but maybe with a little bit of difficulty,
4:51: I can try and, in fact, now I can think of three,
4:55: each one popping up saying, why not me?
4:57: Why not me?
4:58: But one of the most fun ones, as I said,
5:01: was the first time that we had a car in Iceland in 2017, 2018.
5:05: It had two new experiences for me.
5:08: One was left-hand drive and now 3,000 kilometres
5:13: right around the periphery of Iceland.
5:15: And the second was-
5:16: So you took one round trip around the country.
5:19: Full round trip, including the Northeast,
5:22: which has some fascinating places,
5:24: which is, again, off the beaten path.
5:27: There is an island called Flatey over there, okay,
5:30: which has a population of eight people.
5:36: Okay.And there is a guy who we were fortunate to see,
5:40: an old guy with a big beard and an orange cap.
5:42: And he's even featured on a couple of international magazines
5:45: as the old man of Flatey.
5:47: So those were the kind of places that we did.
5:50: And on the same trip,
5:51: we also touched the northernmost point of Iceland,
5:55: which is a small village called Raufarhöfn.
5:58: At the northernmost tip of that,
5:59: we were standing three kilometres
6:00: away from the Arctic Circle.
6:02: That place had about, I remember,
6:04: about 12 or 13 houses in the village,
6:07: or maybe a little more.
6:09: They had a school with 16 children.
6:12: And the most fascinating thing on that trip,
6:15: and this is something I learned over there, security.
6:18: I didn't see a policeman anywhere,
6:20: not a single policeman, security check, nothing.
6:24: You could leave a hundred euro note on the road.
6:26: If the wind didn't blow it away, it would be lying there.
6:29: Doors were never locked.
6:30: Doors were never locked in those houses.
6:32: I ring up my host who's expecting me at seven o'clock
6:35: in another part of the,
6:37: I'm sorry, I can't get the names right.
6:39: She tells me, she says,
6:40: there are a lot of beautiful sights on the way.
6:42: There's plenty of daylight.
6:43: Don't rush.
6:45: I'll leave the key under the doormat for you.
6:46: So six o'clock, we start doing what we had planned
6:49: at 1231 in the afternoon.
6:51: And we reach her place after one o'clock.
6:54: Oh my God. Take the key, open the car door.
6:57: I mean, sorry, open the house,
6:58: settle down, go to sleep.
6:59: Next morning we get up.
7:01: There's a freshly baked sourdough bread on the table for us
7:04: with a note.
7:05: Hope you've had a restful night.
7:09: Then they helped us set up.
7:11: It was a French guy married to a local lady.
7:14: They helped us set up a visit to a place called Hornstader,
7:18: which was an island again, further to the Northwest.
7:21: That island is completely uninhabited.
7:24: There's a family who runs a cafe there.
7:27: They go with the first boat in the morning,
7:29: operate it, and they come back
7:30: with the last boat in the night.
7:31: So we got back from there.
7:34: And then we went on to O'Kureyri
7:35: and then to this place, Raufarhöfn, which I visited.
7:39: On the way back, there was a place where we had a puncture.
7:42: That was another experience.
7:44: I lost my cap over there, my golf cap,
7:46: my favourite golf cap.
7:48: But fortunately, I bought another one
7:49: in Reykjavik a week later, which I still treasure.
7:52: So, and then, you know, it was one of those cases
7:55: where the spare wheel was a steel wheel,
7:57: the others were alloy,
7:58: so you can't exceed 80 kilometres per hour.
8:00: But that night was another most amazing night.
8:02: It was an Icelandic lady married to a Britisher.
8:06: We got to their place at about 9, 9.30 in the night.
8:09: And we had the most amazing chats till three in the morning.
8:13: His name was Kevin.
8:14: And he said, you know, he says,
8:15: you're not tourists, you're travellers.
8:18: And that is something that has stayed with us over the years.
8:21: So I'm sure, Zurvan, you'll agree with me when I say
8:24: that these unexpected things happening in such trips
8:28: are the ones which make them so very exciting.
8:32: I'm very curious to know, Zurvan, for these trips,
8:35: how do you prepare?
8:37: How do you gather information?
8:39: Or do you do some amount of preparation
8:42: and leave the rest to play by ear?
8:44: Or is it a mixture of both?
8:47: Or how?
8:49: I wish my wife were by my side when I answer this question,
8:52: because she's going to kick me under the table.
8:54: She is the one who does all the homework.
8:57: She will start way in advance.
9:00: I mean, I will sow the seed
9:02: and she will start working on it.
9:04: And I will literally get in at the last week, 10 days max,
9:09: to actually then plot the route,
9:11: all right, this point to this point, we'll stay here.
9:13: This is how long we're going to take to drive.
9:15: This is where we can stop for lunch.
9:17: That detailing happens at the last minute,
9:20: at the last week or so.
9:21: But by then, she's done so much work.
9:24: If you look at our bookshelf at home,
9:25: you'll find a collection of lonely planets
9:27: of places where we've been and places where we want to go.
9:30: She just orders them and starts studying them.
9:33: But we've done one trip where we went totally unplanned.
9:36: And we went unplanned because something went wrong
9:39: and we didn't have our documentation in place.
9:41: We were to go to Greenland.
9:43: And that was just a year ago,
9:44: a little less than a year ago for my 60th.
9:48: And we were not allowed to take the flight.
9:50: We lost money, that's another story.
9:52: We got some refunds, we didn't get everything.
9:54: And we were sitting there at Copenhagen Airport
9:56: at nine in the morning, what do we do?
9:59: I said, the obvious thing, hire a car, let's go.
10:01: So we went totally unplanned.
10:03: And so we picked up a car from Denmark, from Copenhagen,
10:07: and we drove right through Sweden
10:10: up into the north of Norway and all the way down back.
10:14: Oh, without any bookings, without any...
10:16: Okay, we had originally planned to do that.
10:19: So we had some idea of what we wanted to do.
10:21: Some idea No booking.
10:22: For example, in Oslo, okay, it was seven in the evening,
10:26: again, summertime, 24 hours daylight.
10:28: And we stopped for fuel,
10:30: wondering where to spend the night.
10:31: And then we see, okay, this is just a Radisson Hotel.
10:34: Let's check in.
10:35: Norway has a lovely chain called Scandic Hotels.
10:38: So we just did a Scandic wherever we went.
10:41: So- You must have done a lot of this hop on, hop off,
10:44: ferry services.
10:45: Yes. Crossing straits.
10:46: Yes.
10:47: I remember having gone from Copenhagen
10:49: to a place called Malmo in Sweden.
10:52: Malmo is just one bridge where you get into Sweden.
10:54: That's right.
10:55: So Malmo, you have to pay in Norwegian currency.
10:58: Sweden and Norway, they accept a card called,
11:02: or not a card, it's called the E-pass 24.
11:05: So I had registered myself for the E-pass 24,
11:08: stating that I'm driving so-and-so car
11:11: from this day to this day.
11:13: So all the tolls, you don't stop for tolls,
11:15: there are the overhead cameras,
11:16: will get charged to your credit card.
11:18: For Malmo, we paid the toll at the airport in Copenhagen.
11:21: On the return, fortunately, I had a Norwegian.
11:24: No, I didn't have Norwegian cash,
11:26: but I had to pay separately.
11:27: The E-pass did not do.
11:29: For the rest of them, including the ferries,
11:31: the reason I'm including the ferries,
11:33: you just have to drive on
11:34: and go park your car on the ferry.
11:35: So ferries used to become our bio-brakes
11:38: because everywhere else you had to pay.
11:41: So those are things you have to do.
11:43: You have to plan yourself out.
11:44: So we would go park the car
11:46: and go stand in line to use the washroom.
11:48: So all these Scandinavian trips of yours
11:50: must have been in the summer,
11:52: which means you've got a lot of daylight
11:54: and you could drive easily till about midnight
11:58: when the sun just grazed the horizon.
12:02: You know, Rathul, there's a disadvantage to that.
12:03: Can you meet it?
12:04: There is one disadvantage.
12:06: You don't realise you keep driving.
12:07: Suddenly you say, I'm hungry.
12:08: Let's stop for a bite.
12:09: Everything is closed.
12:10: Everything is closed.
12:11: Yes, yes.
12:12: I can realise that.
12:14: It's happened.
12:15: Yeah.
12:16: So we've done this unplanned trip as well,
12:17: where we drove the North Atlantic route.
12:20: So from from Oslo,
12:22: then we went on to one most fascinating bridge,
12:25: which is like on a curve.
12:27: It's in it's in one of the James Bond movies.
12:29: I've seen photographs of that.
12:30: Yes, that's that's the one.
12:32: Christiansen.
12:33: Christiansen.OK.
12:34: We drove up to Christiansen
12:36: and then we took these series of bridges.
12:39: This bridge is called the Storsjönsundbrug.
12:43: So I wouldn't even
12:45: a Norwegian would kill us for that.
12:48: So we drove all the way to that Christiansen in the north,
12:51: and then we started coming down.
12:52: We drove part of this.
12:54: We drove the bridges and stuff
12:55: and we stopped for the night at Molde.
12:57: Molde was another beautiful little town
12:59: with this scandic hotel that we stayed,
13:01: which was in the shape of a sail.
13:02: Oh, beautiful.
13:04: And we were on the 13th floor overlooking the fjord.
13:06: Oh, and and sunset was at,
13:09: you know, quarter to twelve in the night
13:10: and sunrise was at 2.30 in the morning.
13:13: Yeah.
13:14: About your company, Zurvan, who would you choose?
13:16: Of course, I know that many of your trips
13:18: you have done with your wife
13:19: and having you having told me that
13:22: it's your wife who does most of the preparatory work.
13:25: I'm sure she's the best company.
13:28: But other than that,
13:29: if there are people who get interested in travelling with you,
13:33: who would be the likely companions for you?
13:36: Who would you choose from a group of people?
13:38: You would be one of them.
13:42: But I would I would actually say that I would still prefer
13:45: that we do it together, but do it in separate cars.
13:48: The idea is that, you know, actually being at the wheel
13:50: also makes a difference.
13:52: It's part of the experience.
13:54: True, true.But but I mean, so I wouldn't like, you know,
13:56: four people to be crammed in a car.
13:58: And, you know, each one long looking longingly at the wheel.
14:02: I would separate cars.
14:05: But yeah. And, you know, I've done two trips within the country,
14:09: one in your area, which I which I can talk about, which
14:12: which is also one that, you know, I would list as one of my favourite,
14:16: which is to Tawang and Bumla.
14:20: So but those have been done with groups of four cars.
14:24: So we move in a convoy.
14:25: We've done this in the Zanskar Valley in Ladakh,
14:29: which was a very nice trip, too.
14:31: But there we were not allowed to use our radios.
14:35: All right.
14:35: We had a very simple rule.
14:37: This is the sequence in which you will drive.
14:39: And as long as you can see the guy in front of you
14:41: and in your rear view, you can see the guy behind you.
14:44: You're fine.That's fine.
14:45: Somebody goes outside, you give an indication that look slow down.
14:49: Somebody is lagging.
14:50: So it's important to have like minded people, people who
14:53: who want to do it for the Wanderlust and people who are,
14:57: you know, being quite comfortable being uncomfortable.
15:00: Yes, it is.
15:01: That's that you put it very right.
15:03: So you've done a lot of Europe and you have done the remotest parts of Europe,
15:08: which is Scandinavia, and you have done remote parts of India.
15:12: What are the things on your mind for the next trip?
15:15: What are the various options?
15:17: New Zealand is on my bucket list.
15:19: Another one that we are keen on is doing something
15:23: into Myanmar, something in Nepal, likely soon something into the unexplored,
15:28: not unexplored, but the untouristy parts of Kashmir.
15:31: So that is going to be more of high pass challenges.
15:34: So Zawahir, a lot of Indians are doing this,
15:36: not to the extent that you have done, perhaps, but many are opening up to that.
15:41: They are tired of tourist agent tour agent
15:45: organised trips, those whistle stop trips
15:48: where you get to see everything for not more than 10 minutes, etc.
15:51: They're coming out of that.
15:53: I'm sure more information on the net, better technology,
15:57: maybe economic liberation of a certain class of Indians
16:01: are facilitating these people to come out of this.
16:04: But what do you have as an advice to such people?
16:08: I would say do it gradually.
16:11: First, get used to driving long hours.
16:14: And when I say driving long hours, I would also share one fact
16:18: which my wife and I have.
16:19: We don't drive for more than three hours at a stretch and we switch.
16:23: The second thing is you need to know each other's strengths very much.
16:29: So you can't just, you know, let go and say, I'll do it
16:32: without the necessary partners and stuff of that sort.
16:35: Second thing is the preparation, preparation for the weather.
16:39: One thing that we certainly do every time is we read all the you know,
16:43: there'll be certain weather bulletins, drivers.
16:45: No, no weather bulletin apart.
16:47: There'll be certain notes for drivers.
16:48: I'll give you another example here.
16:50: In Iceland, it was very clear there are going to be narrow bridges.
16:53: There are no signalling lights, but you can see the other end.
16:56: Make it a point to stop.
16:58: Make sure that the other guy is not moving.
17:00: If he moves, let him move.
17:02: You don't budge.
17:03: If you're moving, he will wait.
17:05: And at the end, thank him for it.
17:07: Small curtsies.
17:08: So these are the kind of things I would say one needs to read up.
17:12: There are always nuances and subtleties to the places.
17:14: In order to remain safe, understand your limits.
17:18: It takes time to get used to a new place.
17:20: Don't sort of jump into it and think that you're, you know,
17:24: you've done it before and therefore everything is fine.
17:26: Take your time, observe and gradually get into the flow.
17:30: And particularly when you're driving in a completely new place,
17:34: a new country, different side of the road.
17:36: Never believe that you've got it all because you have.
17:40: Respect the locals is another very big thing.
17:43: And this was something which was drilled into us by the team leader in Ladakh.
17:47: He says, respect the locals.
17:49: If the guy is driving slow, there must be a reason.
17:51: Don't, you know, be overconfident or over anything.
17:55: That's a very valuable advice.
17:57: And be very observant.
17:58: Zurwan, I've seen in high season, in places like Ladakh or Spiti Valley
18:04: or even Northeast India where I've been to, during high season,
18:10: the number of cars that are trying to reach that place,
18:13: self-driven, tourist operator driven, is so high.
18:17: There are traffic jams in those remote places.
18:21: Everybody trying to outdo the other, honking, dust,
18:25: throwing all caution to the wind.
18:27: No respect for the locals, as you just said.
18:30: That's the sad part.
18:31: That's a sad part.
18:32: And you know that in India, tourism is highly unregulated
18:36: in spite of so many mistakes that we have had.
18:40: All our hill stations looking like dingy towns.
18:43: We have reduced them to.
18:45: We are still not learning.
18:46: So what do you think we must do?
18:49: Should there be a restriction in the number of cars
18:51: that can reach a place on a certain day?
18:53: Yes. Or there should be heavy fines for people breaking rules.
18:57: What do you have in mind?
18:58: People breaking rules, people just littering.
19:01: I'm sorry, I'm coming to littering.
19:02: It has nothing to do with driving, but it's basic civic sense.
19:06: Unless you're...
19:07: There should be regulation.
19:09: I totally agree.
19:10: There should be a restriction on number of vehicles.
19:12: Because, for example, where we went just now to Bumla,
19:15: crossing the Sela Pass and then Tawang and then on to Bumla,
19:19: there were no vehicles when we went because it's off season.
19:22: The snow was very heavy.
19:23: Incidentally, I suffered there because of the fact that my Thar,
19:26: I had a third generation Thar with the electronic systems.
19:29: And even after putting it into four wheel, the front wheels were not engaging.
19:33: So I had a...
19:34: With chains, I could drive, but I wasn't getting the traction to climb.
19:38: So who put the chains for you?
19:39: Did the army do it?
19:41: Army? No, no, no, no.
19:41: We were carrying chains.
19:42: We were fully prepared.
19:43: We were fully prepared for that.
19:46: OK.
19:46: Why I'm saying this is when we came down to the place where we had lunch,
19:50: they were telling us that right now there are hardly anybody here.
19:53: But in a couple of months time, you won't get a room here.
19:56: So as you put it, there'll be traffic jams there.
19:58: That is why one of the things we do is we also pick off season times
20:01: because that's when you can...
20:02: We can face...
20:04: I mean, we love those, you know, weather and those kind of...
20:08: I wouldn't call it hardships, but experiences.
20:10: But I wouldn't like to go there at a time when there's a jam.
20:13: But yes, there should be regulation.
20:15: There are inland passes.
20:16: There is regulation, but it needs to be stricter.
20:19: Zurwan, you talked about transformation.
20:21: There are...
20:21: There have been many subtle ways in which these experiences have changed you.
20:27: I understand not everything can be explained in words.
20:30: A lot of them are ineffable.
20:31: But there are listeners who are also aspiring to having experiences
20:35: the way you have.
20:37: So can you explain a little more that Zurwan, who started these adventures
20:41: or hadn't started these adventures, Zurwan, at that point of time
20:46: and what Zurwan is today after having crossed so many milestones?
20:50: What changes have you seen in yourself?
20:53: I think it makes a difference in one's leadership styles.
20:58: The way in which one learns how to look at situations.
21:03: I gave you one word where I said, for an example, where I said
21:06: you need to understand how to observe, how to understand
21:10: what are the different strengths that people bring to the group, to your team
21:14: and how to encourage those and how to use that
21:19: for the betterment of the team and then how to also share and cross learn.
21:23: Because you learn that everything is not going to go your way.
21:26: You have to be able to constantly change the direction of your sail
21:30: in order to, you know, get the wind to work for you.
21:33: So I think that's what it teaches you a lot of flexibility in management.
21:36: Anything about nature, Zurwan?
21:37: Respect towards nature, which we hardly realise
21:42: settling down, having settled down in cities
21:44: and when we are exposed to nature on these trips.
21:47: Totally.
21:48: How does that change you?
21:49: More respect for nature.
21:51: If you ask me, it's more than respect.
21:52: Today, I honestly, I fear the way that we are going.
21:56: You know, when I when I look at the fact that the way temperatures are rising,
22:00: I mean, we talk of global warming so casually.
22:02: But when you look at what's happened over the years and how we are responsible
22:06: and how probably we are responsible, even driving long distances,
22:10: you know, for other than work, I mean, let's face it.
22:13: We are doing that.
22:14: But the point I'm making is the rampant disrespect for nature.
22:18: And I would still say at the average population level is still lip service.
22:23: It's scary.
22:25: But at the same time, you realise that if you have changed,
22:28: maybe you can get the next person to change.
22:31: There can be a percolation of.
22:33: That's right. I fully agree with you.
22:35: We have started seeing these changes happen in real time.
22:41: Each time that we that I personally look at this, I fear.
22:45: I really fear.
22:46: And we are doing it more and more.
22:48: We don't realise what I mean when I say we as a as a
22:52: as a population en masse, we don't seem to realise it.
22:56: And I don't know what it's going to take to realise it.
22:59: But talking about it is the only thing that we can do.
23:02: And, you know, practising what we preach.
23:04: One last quick question, one, you have occupied
23:07: the highest echelons of manufacturing in our company.
23:10: That's a very stressful life.
23:12: I can fully understand.
23:13: How did you manage all this?
23:15: Of course, passion for this was also a huge urge in you.
23:18: But that also needed some amount of balancing.
23:21: I think listeners, many of our listeners would be keen to learn this from you.
23:26: That balancing that tightrope walking act that you always managed to do.
23:30: I think, as I said, one was, of course, patience and flexibility.
23:35: And the moment you start thinking flexible, it becomes a little less stressful.
23:40: And along with that was the ability to spend that little time in the day,
23:45: mostly in the beginning.
23:47: Call it what you want, but being with myself,
23:49: whether it was in the form of a little time, silent time in prayer
23:52: or a little bit of just reflection, meditation,
23:57: just that little time every day.
23:59: That was one.
24:00: And the flexibility.
24:02: I think treating the team as colleagues
24:05: and not as somebody whom you had to go after made them come back
24:09: and made them so enjoy it.
24:12: And the positivity then sort of starts growing on itself.
24:16: So I think I don't look at the last 10 years at that level,
24:21: not only for interior, but company wide as head of the Manufacturing Council as well.
24:26: I think it was the most rewarding experience
24:30: and the most rewarding time of my, you talked of 35 years.
24:33: I did 36 years.
24:35: So and I would just like to talk a little bit about
24:38: I was lucky to celebrate Losar with the.
24:41: Oh, I see.
24:42: That's when we were in in Tawang.
24:46: And this was when we had come down to the Sancti Valley.
24:48: Ah, that was.
24:50: And early in the morning, these guys would be on the road dancing,
24:53: you know, with their groups and smearing atta flour on each other.
24:58: You know, when you talk to weather, I realise, you know,
25:01: how much their lives are also undergoing change because of it.
25:06: You can see it.
25:07: So there is that sense of responsibility that we have
25:10: because we are doing things which can be done differently.
25:14: We have to be able to spread that message.
25:16: That's right.
25:17: Because we have a responsibility a lot more than we realise.
25:20: Thank you very much, Zurwan.
25:22: Thank you for inspiring our colleagues with not just your work,
25:27: but also your life's experience.
25:30: Thank you, Ratul. And thank you, Godrej.